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Magnus De Armis
view post Posted on 13/10/2010, 01:58




Personalmente, ma anche politicamente, mi stavo chiedendo come mai nel nostro paese è arrivata questa moda "polacca".

Escluse le considerazioni geo-storiche-etniche, che non terrò qui in quanto fuori luogo, vorrei attenermi ad i fatti che ho visto e vedo.

Non voglio sminuire la morte di quei cittadini polacchi nell'incidente aereo che ha profondamente segnato la storia di quel "paese". Ma mi stavo chiedendo cosa centra con St.Charlie.

E' vero, sembra una domanda stupida e retorica ed invece è più che giusta! Con il ragionamento che ha fatto il nuovo cittadino di origini nordiche, chiunque, tra cui noi del PSSC, potremmo chiedere che ogni mese (o anche più spesso) venga modificata la prima pagina del forum per le stragi nere e gli assassini politici ancora irrisolti accaduti in Italia.

Però non lo facciamo. Non perché non ne abbiamo la voglia, bensì perché è irreale che una micronazione come la nostra si metta a ragionare di fatti accaduti, in queste caso preciso, lontani dalla maggioranza della nostra cittadinanza.

Questi fatti non toccano giornalmente la vita dei cittadini St.Charliani e tendono a sottolineare unicamente un punto di vista, peraltro a mio parere molto fascista, di un'unica persona che sfrutta la sua situazione di minoranza a sua vantaggio.

Qui finisco con un'ultima parentesi. Non sono potuto intervenire prima a causa di gravi eventi personali e politici, quindi mi scuso per il ritardo.


Firmato,

Magnus de Armis
 
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Patryk Adam Bronisz
view post Posted on 13/10/2010, 10:39




First of all I must say that I translate this with google, so I don't know did I understood all correctly.

As I suppose, you wrote about me :P , so first of all one question: don't you think that patriotism is nice fashion?

About Tragedy in Smolensk: you think that it was only Polish tragedy? That we should forgot about Polish patriots who died in this crash? You should be happy that someone want talk about history (because maybe it's opportunity for someone to learn more about my country). If you want to make any action related with Italy-why you don't do this?

Discussion in Centro Congresi was Reinhardt's (great) idea. And if I have opportunity, one question: why you want to make forum only about St.Charlie? For me (sorry for honestly) this forum is too official and (sorry again) boring. So I think that each action which start discussion is good opportunity to share minds by everyone and to make this forum more "active".

QUOTE (Magnus De Armis @ 13/10/2010, 02:58)
Questi fatti non toccano giornalmente la vita dei cittadini St.Charliani e tendono a sottolineare unicamente un punto di vista

Everyone can say what he think. I don't order you what you must write :ahsisi:

QUOTE (Magnus De Armis @ 13/10/2010, 02:58)
di un'unica persona che sfrutta la sua situazione di minoranza a sua vantaggio.

Yeah, that is profit for me that I'm Pole...You know why? Because people from my country (from Solidarność) fight with this fucking ideology, which you promote. And I'm proud that I have so great people inside my country. I'm proud!

QUOTE (Constitution of Republic of Poland @ 02/04/1997, 00:00)

[...]
Article 82
Loyalty to the Republic of Poland, as well as concern for the common good, shall be the duty of every Polish citizen.
[...]


As you can see, my Constitution order from my that I must be loyal to Poland (and as I understand promote my Polish origin)
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Sorry if you feel insulted, but if someone order from my that I can't speak Polish on shutbox (Alvisi) and now that I can't say that I'm Pole (Armis) ... ouch.

But, It's interested for me to know what other people from St.Charlie think about this, go ahead, paper is yours :)
 
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Magnus De Armis
view post Posted on 13/10/2010, 13:19




CITAZIONE
First of all I must say that I translate this with google, so I don't know did I understood all correctly.

In realtà aspettavo che traducesse Jacopo o Nick, anch'io odio google perché toglie quel "che" alla frase. Senza contare che ti consiglio di aspettare anche qui che traduca uno di loro, perché sinceramente non ho il tempo di mettermi anche a tradurre.

Comunque esattamente no.
Personalmente ritengo che il nazionalismo sfrenato porti unicamente ad una cosuccia che in Italia conosciamo come fascismo e di cui, in questo forum, ho anche già parlato.
Dato che, guarda caso, in Polonia il caro ex-presidente sosteneva apertamente di essere razzista nei confronti dei gay e portava avanti politiche che basavano la loro vita su cosa? Sull'odio per motivi storici e nazionalistici contro la Germania e la Russia.

Inoltre io promuovo l'ideologia che più si confa a me, caro Patrick.
Andare in giro armato di bastone e vestito alla "camicia nera" non mi piaceva tanto ;-) preferivo, e preferisco, le parole:"Gli uomini son tutti uguali". Se a te piace pensare che esistano "persone" migliori di altre, sarebbe il caso tu lo dicessi e lo paragonassi nuovamente alla tua cara costituzione :-)

Senza contare che io non ti sto dicendo di non essere polacco. Sarebbe negare te stesso. Ti sto criticando il fatto di farlo pesare continuamente. Il problema è lì. Perché se te mi vieni a citare la costituzione polacca, io ti cito quella italiana. Soluzione? Nessuna, solamente qui si tratta di essere abbastanza aperti di mente da sapere come prendere certi argomenti ;-)
Difatti quando qualcuno ti chiede di non parlare in polacco, lo fa perché probabilmente gli rompe le scatole utilizzare google translator. Invece, se tu usassi l'inglese, che qui tutti usano insieme all'italiano, la cosa sarebbe diversa. Non credi?
Secondo me, la tua è unicamente ostentazione, che si riferisce ad essere un problema d'appartenenza a livello psicologico. Ergo ti consiglio d'iscriverti ad un corso di calcio vicino a casa tua.

Senza contare che ti pregherei di rimanere su termini di un dibattito politico. Non so come sei abituato dalle tue parti, ma qui manteniamo un minimo d'educazione ;-)
 
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Alexander Reinhardt
view post Posted on 14/10/2010, 06:48




There we go!

CITAZIONE (Magnus De Armis @ 13/10/2010, 14:19)
To be fair I thought Jacopo or Nick would have translated it, I hate Google too because it removes that special part in sentences. Not counting also the fact that I advice you to wait here for someone of them to translate, since I honestly don't have the time.

Anyway, exactly no.
I personally believe that excessive nationalism leads only to a thing that in Italy we know as "fascism" and of which I already talked about, in this forum.
Since in Poland the former president openly supported to be discriminatory against gays and was leading several policies that based their life on what? Hate for historical and nationalistic reasons against Russia and Germany.

Also, I promote the ideology that I like the most, dear Patryk.
I didn't really like going around dressed up with a black shirt and a bat ;) I preferred, and still do, the words "all men are equal". If you personally think that there are people that are better than others, there's no problem in saying it and comparing it to your dear constitution. :)

Obviously I am not asking you not to be Polish. It would be like "denying yourself". I am just criticising the fact you point it out repeatedly. That's the issue I'm talking about. Because if you quote the Polish constitution, I quote the Italian one. Solution? Nothing, only here it's about being enough open-minded to know how to take some arguments. ;)

That's because when someone asks you not to speak Polish, he does it because maybe he dislikes using Google translation. However, if you used English, that everyone uses here together with Italian, it would be difference, don't you think?
After me, yours is just boastful showiness, that is related at a psychological level to a belonging problem. Therefore I advice you to join a football club next to your house.

Without saying that I please ask you to remain at the terms of a political debate. I don't know how you're used to have those, but here we maintain a minimum of education. ;)

 
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Nicolò Alvisi
view post Posted on 14/10/2010, 20:09




Anche io scrivo in italiano per motivi di tempo e prego, come Magnus, che qualcuno traduca in modo anche sommario quanto dico.
In primo luogo, voglio dare a De Armis tutto il sostegno che il suo vice-presidente può permettersi.
Anche io condivido quanto scritto da Magnus. E voglio ricordare a Patryk, che non era presente qualche mese fa, la decisione presa democraticamente da questo partito di non cambiare il nome in Partito Comunista, ma di mantenere la linea politica ed ideologica del Socialismo St.Charliano. Sono perfettamente conscio che, in Polonia, il comunismo abbia rappresentato un per il popolo una dittatura del tutto simile a quella che Mussolini instaurò vigliaccamente in Italia. E' quindi indispensabile che Patryk sappia che la parola "comunismo" non ha per me e Magnus quella connotazione negativa che scaturisce invece nella sua testa.

Per quanto riguarda invece la triste storia dei documenti in polacco, ripeto che Patryk ha avuto sicuramente ragione, come del resto il Min. Schhneider, ma che mi sono semplicemente attenuto alle vigenti leggi sul bipolarismo linguistico. Nulla di personale, dunque, avrei fatto la stessa cosa con un francese o un venezuelano...

Rinnovando il mio sostegno più completo al Segretario De Armis, passo e chiudo.
 
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Magnus De Armis
view post Posted on 15/10/2010, 17:31




I wait for your answer Patrick, if you want.
 
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Patryk Adam Bronisz
view post Posted on 15/10/2010, 18:49




First of all: sorry for late reply but I was little busy. And sorry for so much quotes, but I want comment everything in single parts :)

QUOTE (Magnus De Armis @ 13/10/2010, 14:19)
I personally believe that excessive nationalism leads only to a thing that in Italy we know as "fascism" and of which I already talked about, in this forum.

You think that I'm nationalist? Well, to be honest: maybe in small part I am, but of course you have right that excessive nationalism is wrong way. But, hey, communism isn't good way too...

QUOTE (Magnus De Armis @ 13/10/2010, 14:19)
Since in Poland the former president openly supported to be discriminatory against gays and was leading several policies that based their life on what? Hate for historical and nationalistic reasons against Russia and Germany.

As I wrote before in forum corner about tragedy, Lech Kaczyński wasn't saint. He even wasn't the best President in history. But he was head of state.
Of course I disagree with you at the things you wrote. I support gay rights.
About Russia: Lech Kaczyński was anti-communist, that's why he don't like this country much. But, Germany, as I know he and Angela Merkel was close friends (maybe friends is not too good word, but I can't found better).

QUOTE (Magnus De Armis @ 13/10/2010, 14:19)
If you personally think that there are people that are better than others

Why you think that I think like that? You're wrong...

QUOTE (Magnus De Armis @ 13/10/2010, 14:19)
comparing it to your dear constitution. :)

I add fragment of the Constitution (I'll be glad if you'll write this word with big letter :asd: ) because that's list of thinks what Polish citizen should do. And that's even more important that the Bible.

QUOTE (Magnus De Armis @ 13/10/2010, 14:19)
That's because when someone asks you not to speak Polish, he does it because maybe he dislikes using Google translation.

If I'm talking with someone on forum in Polish, it means that it's not important for you, guys, so you don't must know what we're talking about :P And if I have opportunity...Sometimes I can't understand what you write in shutbox, even google translator don't help me :(

QUOTE (Magnus De Armis @ 13/10/2010, 14:19)
However, if you used English, that everyone uses here together with Italian, it would be difference, don't you think?

Inside St.Charlie there are people who don't speak Italian (like me ;) )

QUOTE (Magnus De Armis @ 13/10/2010, 14:19)
After me, yours is just boastful showiness, that is related at a psychological level to a belonging problem. Therefore I advice you to join a football club next to your house.

Really nice words :P

QUOTE (Magnus De Armis @ 13/10/2010, 14:19)
here we maintain a minimum of education. ;)

What you mind? Sorry but this time I don't understand the meaning (even if it's translate for English :) )

QUOTE (Nicolò Alvisi @ 14/10/2010, 21:09)
E voglio ricordare a Patryk, che non era presente qualche mese fa, la decisione presa democraticamente da questo partito di non cambiare il nome in Partito Comunista, ma di mantenere la linea politica ed ideologica del Socialismo St.Charliano.

But if you use in official logo of SCSP you show that you're communists (quote from wikipedia: The hammer and sickle is a part of communist symbolism and its usage indicates an association with Communism)

QUOTE (Nicolò Alvisi @ 14/10/2010, 21:09)
Per quanto riguarda invece la triste storia dei documenti in polacco,

No, I was talking about situation when I, Fael, Crobak was talking on shutbox in this forum and you tell that we must stop.
I even don't remember situation with C1 form, that's past and all was been explained :D

QUOTE (Nicolò Alvisi @ 14/10/2010, 21:09)
ripeto che Patryk ha avuto sicuramente ragione, come del resto il Min. Schhneider, ma che mi sono semplicemente attenuto alle vigenti leggi sul bipolarismo linguistico. Nulla di personale, dunque, avrei fatto la stessa cosa con un francese o un venezuelano...

And to be honest I must write that you're very good Minister of Justice, because you're independent and stay upholding the law ;)

* Nicolò Alvisi post was translate in google translator

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If I was wonder about this (in last days) I delete Polish & St.Charlian coat of arms, because I don't want to be perceived as nationalist :sisi:
 
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Heinrich Schneider
view post Posted on 15/10/2010, 20:04




First of all - wow, wow, wow.... Let's keep it chill guys! :asd:

Magnus is right in stating that this forum is St.Charlian, and while we accept, and indeed look forward, to having people of different nationalities contribute; there must be a balance. There is certainly nothing wrong with remembering a tragedy where almost 100 people died, but it is also true that the post was a bit too nationalistic.
I want to make it clear to Patryk that we value your nationality, but what I believe Magnus is saying is that the fact that we're a micronation, and are striving to build our own identity, means that macronational nationalism isn't necessary on the forum.
To clean up a few points where Google Translate and Jacopo (:P) have made a poor job of translating:
1) There is no problem with talking polish, but showering the shoutbox with a non-official language is not a very polite thing to do. Why not use MPs?
2) Magnus means to say that if you used English, which is a language we all have in common and can understand, it would be better for everyone.
3) When he says to mantain education I think he is referring to when you said "fucking ideology"
 
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Alexander Reinhardt
view post Posted on 16/10/2010, 12:16




CITAZIONE (Patryk Adam Bronisz @ 15/10/2010, 19:49)
If I was wonder about this (in last days) I delete Polish & St.Charlian coat of arms, because I don't want to be perceived as nationalist :sisi:

Ach, that's a shame. That's my opinion: you have the right to put the Polish/St.Charlian/Ugandan/Russian/whatever coat of arms in your signature, that's your right. What is criticized in the topic is excessively pointing out the affiliation to a particular nation, as it's sometimes not appreciated. Personally I don't see anything wrong in showing your love for a nation, however, if others ask for containment, you can reduce it a bit (which means you can keep your wonderful coats of arms in your signature, my dear :asd:)

Now, my opinion on the subject: I promoted the Smolensk incident debate because, as Pat said, the forum tends to be boring and if you're not an MP, or a member of the political class, you die of boredom :asd: . This means that if the Socialist Party promotes a debate on, for instance, the October revolution, or like they one they've made on nationalism, I'm totally in favor of it. The one on Smolensk appeared on the home, because Patryk made also a video about it :sisi:
 
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Leonard Von Sternberg
view post Posted on 16/10/2010, 19:51




CITAZIONE
Patryk:
But if you use ☭ in official logo of SCSP you show that you're communists (quote from wikipedia: The hammer and sickle is a part of communist symbolism and its usage indicates an association with Communism)

Look at this socialist parties: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Socialist_Party and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_of_the_Left

To return to the main speech, I support comrade De Armis and Alvisi, because, the most important reason is that St. Charlie has, theoretically speaking, nothing to do with normal world, so we don't use to celebrate normal events such as italian political events or whatsoever.

CITAZIONE
Patryk:
About Tragedy in Smolensk: you think that it was only Polish tragedy? That we should forgot about Polish patriots who died in this crash? You should be happy that someone want talk about history (because maybe it's opportunity for someone to learn more about my country). If you want to make any action related with Italy-why you don't do this?

Sorry, but If we are NOT interested in the History of your country, you cannot force us to do this. For example by annoying us everyday with videos, photos, articles, and banners on the OFFICIAL forum. You could just do a mini-topic where you say what happened in your country. STOP.
We are not even speaking about us, in Italy, so why should we be interested in Poland (nothing against Poland). That's not a History forum, thats a FAKE nation forum, so we speak about FAKE nations, and if Poland isn't fake, you should not speak much about it. OK?

CITAZIONE
Patryk:
why you want to make forum only about St.Charlie? For me (sorry for honestly) this forum is too official and (sorry again) boring.

As I mentioned before, THIS is not a Chitchat forum, this is not a off topic forum, this is not an History forum, this is not an Nationalist forum, etc.
It' s all about st. charlie AND other micronations because it is meant for it, and not for the history of Poland, Italy or Germany. So, if you find it too boring, it's maybe beacuse you don't actually understand everything...
 
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Patryk Adam Bronisz
view post Posted on 16/10/2010, 20:57




QUOTE (Leonard Von Sternberg @ 16/10/2010, 20:51)

What's the point?

QUOTE (Leonard Von Sternberg @ 16/10/2010, 20:51)
St. Charlie has, theoretically speaking, nothing to do with normal world

Yeah, St.Charlie is on another planet. Congratulations...

QUOTE (Leonard Von Sternberg @ 16/10/2010, 20:51)
We are not even speaking about us, in Italy, so why should we be interested in Poland

To learn more...

QUOTE (Leonard Von Sternberg @ 16/10/2010, 20:51)
As I mentioned before, THIS is not a Chitchat forum, this is not a off topic forum, this is not an History forum, this is not an Nationalist forum, etc.

Why?

__________


Comedian corner
My proposition for changes in Leonard post
...well, for me it's not funny...

Leonard wrote:
QUOTE (Leonard Von Sternberg @ 16/10/2010, 20:51)
Sorry, but If we are NOT interested in the History of your country

Leonard think:
I have Poland in asshole.

Leonard wrote:
QUOTE (Leonard Von Sternberg @ 16/10/2010, 20:51)
That's not a History forum, thats a FAKE nation forum, so we speak about FAKE nations, and if Poland isn't fake, you should not speak much about it. OK?

Leonard think:
It should be shame for you that you're Pole and you can't say this.
 
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Leonard Von Sternberg
view post Posted on 16/10/2010, 21:09




CITAZIONE (Patryk Adam Bronisz @ 16/10/2010, 21:57)
What's the point?

The point is that they have also a Communist logo without being communists.

CITAZIONE (Patryk Adam Bronisz @ 16/10/2010, 21:57)
Yeah, St.Charlie is on another planet. Congratulations...

Thats not only what I say, Reinhardt said the same to me some time ago.

CITAZIONE (Patryk Adam Bronisz @ 16/10/2010, 21:57)
To learn more...

Ok, but not by forcing to read the banner in front page and videos in Public television or radio or discussions in public.
Just do it more discretly, make a topic and thats it, who is interested watches and reads it, and who is not interested is not forced to watch this.

CITAZIONE (Patryk Adam Bronisz @ 16/10/2010, 21:57)
Why?

Because it's this!!! WTF, it's like saying: "On a CD Player I can cook pancakes" It's meant for CD's and not for Pancakes.

CITAZIONE (Patryk Adam Bronisz @ 16/10/2010, 21:57)
Leonard wrote:
CITAZIONE (Leonard Von Sternberg @ 16/10/2010, 20:51)
Sorry, but If we are NOT interested in the History of your country

Leonard think:
I have Poland in asshole.

We are not interested because this forum is not meant for History.

CITAZIONE (Patryk Adam Bronisz @ 16/10/2010, 21:57)
Leonard wrote:
CITAZIONE (Leonard Von Sternberg @ 16/10/2010, 20:51)
That's not a History forum, thats a FAKE nation forum, so we speak about FAKE nations, and if Poland isn't fake, you should not speak much about it. OK?

Leonard think:
It should be shame for you that you're Pole and you can't say this.

MUCH I said, I have not said you should not speak about it because you are polish, YOU SHOULD NOT ONLY SPEAK ABOUT THIS, and when you are doing this, do this in a topic and not in forum page and SCBN. (St. Charlie Broadcasting Network not Polish Broadcasting Network)
 
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Patryk Adam Bronisz
view post Posted on 16/10/2010, 21:34




QUOTE (Leonard Von Sternberg @ 16/10/2010, 22:09)
The point is that they have also a Communist logo without being communists.

Yeah, and someday Catholic church will use Crescent, why not?

QUOTE (Leonard Von Sternberg @ 16/10/2010, 22:09)
Just do it more discretly, make a topic and thats it, who is interested watches and reads it, and who is not interested is not forced to watch this.

If someone is not interested he don't must read or watch.

QUOTE (Leonard Von Sternberg @ 16/10/2010, 22:09)
YOU SHOULD NOT ONLY SPEAK ABOUT THIS, and when you are doing this, do this in a topic and not in forum page and SCBN.

Freedom of expression:
QUOTE (Constitution of the St.Charlie @ 23/11/2008, 00:00)

Everyone is free to express and to disseminate his opinion by speech, writing and pictures. Freedom of the press and freedom of reporting by radio and motion pictures are infinite.


 
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Heinrich Schneider
view post Posted on 16/10/2010, 23:17




I am warning both of you stop this or I'm going to lock the topic. You're both behaving like 12-year-old dicks.
Luca: there is no need insist on the point more than what me and Alex have done.
Patryk: there is no need to behave like this. Also, assuming what someone is thinking is considered to be very rude.

Yes, this is not a Polish forum, nor is it a history forum or a nationalist forum: it's the Official St.Charlian forum. On the other hand, if you're not into politics, as Alex said it is quite boring. I really wish we had debates (in English!) on big questions like gay rights, abortion etc. because a little off-topic is always good to make our community better.
So Luca, please don't be rude, and Patryk, I suggest you follow Luca's suggestion: yes a topic or so on Poland is interesting, but repeatedly posting stuff on it can be a bit excessive. What I really think is key to micronationalism is that we are not Italian, Polish or German; we are St.Charlian. So let's try to put more emphasis on St.Charlie rather than Italy or Poland.
 
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view post Posted on 17/10/2010, 10:20

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Come risposta so che ripeterà molti concetti già espressi, ma mi pare giusto far conoscere anche la mia opinione.
Come sottolineato da Mr. Schneider se il forum si chiama "Forum Ufficiale di St.Charlie" c'è un motivo, ed è quello di rappresentare una piattaforma virtuale, o meglio una piazza centrale virtuale d'incontro per tutti i St.Charliani. (Forum, dal latino vuol dire piazza)
Secondo punto: Patrick a questo punto però potrebbe ribattere con un: "Ma anche voi avete aperto discussioni inerenti alla storia italiana" (per esempio questo) E' vero, ciò è stato fatto, ciò potrebbe ripetersi, ma la cosa non è stata pubblicizzata in millemila modi, perché capisco che Mr. Bronisz sia molto fedele alla patria perché lo dice la costituzione di esserlo, ma la "patriotticità" non deve essere vista come un dettame della costituzione, deve invece essere sentita dentro ogni persona.
Terzo Punto: E' sbagliato il modo in cui è stata posta la cosa, infatti a mio parere, al "Centro Congressi" si aprono discussioni per discutere, invece Mr. Bronisz più che porre le basi per un dibattito con domande e quant'altro ha invece posto la discussione come una sorta di "Ricordo dell'Avvenimento", ed allora non andava lì quella discussione, ma poteva andare benissimo nel "Piazzale Morgan Rhos". Fortunatamente però la discussione l'ho fatta poi partire io. Insomma Patrick, il tuo errore è stato quello di aver posto male la questione, in sé non c'erano le basi per un dibattito, perché in sé non hai posto domande o rfilessioni inerenti all'argomento...

Ho concluso, però vorrei sentire l'opinione di Patrick, eventualmente anche tramite messaggio privato. Comunque, non voglio che tu, Patrick, prenda questa discussione come un attacco personale, anzi, tutt'altro è un modo per aiutarti a svolgere al meglio le tue attività da giornalista della SCAN.

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English Translation

I know I will repeat many ideas already expressed in my reply, but I think it is right to make my opinion known.
As Mr. Schneider pointed out there is a reason why the forum is called "Official St.Charlie Forum", and that is to represent a virtual platform, or better a central virtual plaza where all St.Charlians can meet and discuss. (In Latin, forum means plaza)
Second point: Patryk could now say: "But you too have started discussions on Italian history" That is true, it was happened, it could happen again, but it was not publicised in a thousand ways, because I understand that Mr. Bronisz is very loyal to his motherland as his Constitution says, but patriotism should not be seen as some forced by the Constitution, it must be felt inside.
Third point: The manner in which the discussion was planned was wrong, in my view, the "Centro Congressi" hosts discussion to debate, while Mr. Bronisz rather than starting a debate with questions and whatnot, has started the discussion as a sort of "Remembering the Event", and thus the discussion was not supposed to be there but in the "Piazzale Morgan Rhos" section. Luckily though, it was myself who really started the debate. Put simply Patryk, your mistake was that of misplacing the discussion, as there weren't really any bases for a debate, because you hadn't asked questions or reflections on the topic...

I am finished, but I would like to hear Patryk's opinion, even through PM. However, I don't want you, Patryk, to take this discussion as a personal attack, but as a way of helping you do your job as SCAN journalist.

Edited by Heinrich Schneider - 17/10/2010, 12:18
 
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